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Are lolicon and pedophilia wrong?

March 2, 2006 on 1:01 pm | In *Polls, xxxHOLIC |

Poll of 2/2 Newing

I was searching for new poll ideas when this little debate sparked in the comments of one of my REC reviews between Chris, Wyk72, and I, after I made a stretch and related the couple to a loli-pedo pairing. Though the poll question doesn’t really involve REC itself, I thought it would be interesting to know. So. Lolicon and pedophilia? How do you feel? We are talking, full-blown, Lolita 12yr-40yr combination. If you think it is wrong or right, then, in what contexts? Do you believe it is just sick in general, that pedophiles are just misunderstood, that it is okay in anime and fantasy contexts but not real life, or what? I’m really interested to hear the responses. I know how abq from Lolitron would vote.

Here are some useful definitions to take a look at before you condemn or condone:

- Lolicon

- Pedophilia

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I think real-world pedophilia is okay, laws aside, if the love is mutual. Most of the time, though, that isn’t the case.

For the record, I’m not a pedophile… nor am I a big fan of lolicon. ya rly. srsly.

Comment by Nunka — March 2, 2006 #
Pedophelia has a few issues. One is the emotional and mental awareness of the younger party. The whole reason we place statutes on things like drinking and smoking in the first place is because we attempt to control the age at which the exposure becomes permissive.

This is largely because we know even medically that certain parts of the brain related to decisiveness do not finish developing until a certain age. Additionally, the majority of young people make very poor decisions without guidance, and sex is one of these.

This pulls into play the problem with older people taking advantage of a younger person. It’s hard to say what’s mutual and what isn’t in this situation as an observer, so we have to err on the side of caution. Try to protect the less capable party.

There’s also a matter of statutes on age. At what age does it stop being pedophilia? I personally say sixteen, because when I think back to then, I can say I was ready to have sex and not feel like I was being taken advantage of. Some people are a year behind or ahead, but in general, sixteen seems a good average range on the matter.

There also has to be some study in terms of the development of the adult. Why does that attraction exist? Is there emotional retardation going on? Is there a sinister sexual agenda? The problem here is we aren’t mind readers, and sometimes a person isn’t even aware of their own intentions. Again, better to be fairly cautious in this situation.

So is it wrong? Yes. Fantasy is one thing. There, you aren’t hurting anyone (except yourself). But reality is another, and any dismissal of the sixteen-year minimum mark brings with it many, many far-reaching problems.

Comment by Hidoshi — March 2, 2006 #
When it’s “I like cute pictures”, it’s OK. When it’s “I’m only sexually attracted to pre-sexual girls” and thus you lose the ability to normal relationships, then it’s not.

Comment by jpmeyer — March 2, 2006 #
“When it’s “I like cute pictures”, it’s OK. When it’s “I’m only sexually attracted to pre-sexual girls” and thus you lose the ability to normal relationships, then it’s not.”

…Y’know, I probably could have just said this. ^^

Comment by Hidoshi — March 2, 2006 #
Do you even have to ask!? Sure, lolis are cute to look at (like puppies!), but that’s about it. I’ll be having no sex with 12 year old girls (or puppies), thank you very much.

Comment by Hung — March 2, 2006 #
A 12 year old puppy would not really be a puppy… it would be an old dog. Cute pictures seem ok to me, but lolicon/pedo makes me really uncomfortable.

Comment by Kabitzin — March 2, 2006 #
Well, 12 year old puppies (dogs) would be okay, because they’d be 84 in dog years. Uh, not that I would have sex with any dogs…

Here’s a of things I won’t have sex with:
12 year old girls
puppies
12 year old dogs

The list goes on and on.

Comment by Hung — March 2, 2006 #
Uh, my last comment jacked things up. Sorry!

Comment by Hung — March 2, 2006 #
I think it’s alright as long as the fantasy doesn’t become a reality.

Comment by Anonymous — March 2, 2006 #
Really, it stops being pediphilia when the subject is obviously post-pubescent. I don’t mind admiting to being attracted to curvey girls well below the age of consent, but I wouldn’t try for any sort of romantic relationship with a girl in real life, and hope other people wouldn’t either.

In anime, I tend to find bathing scenes or pantyshots of lolis distasteful in that roll your eyes sort of way, but I’m not freaked out by them.

Comment by Symmetry — March 2, 2006 #
Really, it stops being pediphilia when the subject is obviously post-pubescent. I don’t mind admiting to being attracted to curvey girls well below the age of consent

That’s the reason that I used the word “pre-sexual”. Interestingly, while we don’t have marriages occuring at anywhere near the age that they used to, because of improved diet and all of the hormones that get fed to the animals we eat, kids are going through puberty much earlier than before.

Comment by jpmeyer — March 2, 2006 #
Intriguing!
At first, of course, it’s fantasy, it doesn’t hurt anyone etc etc.
So I’m not condemning it and it shouldn’t be censored.
BUT, it’s interesting to talk about it because, yes, there’s definitely a trend. More and more males are asking for there share of loli in manga/anime/games. I’m sure just 10 years ago, comments that are written nowadays would have naver crossed the mind of those people.
The REC case is fascinating, you just suggested that it LOOKS like a pedololi couple, and people reminds you that she’s 20.
But why make her look and act so young if not to create a loli vibe?
I could also talk about double-standard, since it’s always a younger girl, which of course, appeal to a larger male consumer base…

Comment by eurys — March 2, 2006 #
I don’t know… I think that what we see the most in anime is an attraction to child-like characteristics in a girl without it being sexual. That’s pretty much where the whole moé phenomena comes from, it’s the otaku’s longing for fatherhood. You don’t wanna bone these girls, you want to hold their cute bodies in your arms, pat them on the head and say, “I’ll take care of you, don’t worry.” The little girl personally is completely non-threatening, and allows even the weakest of man to feel some dominance in a relationship.

But then again, that’s just me and what I see in mainstream shows like REC. As for those people who “haa! haa!” over this stuff… at least they’re doing it in a fantasy world instead of doing it in real life.

Comment by Scott — March 2, 2006 #
If you had a precious 12 year old daughter, would you let a 40 year old man molest her? Pedophilia has nothing to do with love relationship. It’s molestation, abuse. It doesn’t matter the context. A child is a child. They don’t have sexual interests towards 40 year old men. If you think they have, it’s because you know nothing about children. It will only be consensual through coercion. The line between lolicon (the fantasy) and pedophilia seems very thin sometimes. This week a lolicon magazine in Japan came with pre-schooler girl’s panties as a promotional item. Why not try a real 6, 10, 12 year old girl, abuse her for a couple of hours and send her back to her parents? The poor little thing would be traumatized for life. Pedophiles think they have the right to do that to any child, but they don’t. I will protect my children with all I’ve got and hope people will do the same.

Comment by dada — March 2, 2006 #
I think the people how get a kick out of those promo panties from that magazine know reality from fantasy very well. Does a person who likes horror films have the desire to kill or even witness a murder in real life? Of course not, they’d be terrified of the thought. I believe the same is true for most of the people into Lolicon. They’re okay with it in fantasy, but would never even dream about doing it in reality.

Comment by Scott — March 2, 2006 #
The REC case is fascinating, you just suggested that it LOOKS like a pedololi couple, and people reminds you that she’s 20.

Two other interesting cases for me: Bakuretsu Tenshi and Saikano. In the former, there’s no reason why those characters have to be 15, 16 years old instead of say, 25, 26 years old. In the latter, you have the fact that both characters are the same age, except one looks about 10 while the other looks about 40.

Comment by jpmeyer — March 2, 2006 #
I hope you’re right, Scott. This is how I want to see lolicon too - just a fantasy.

Comment by dada — March 2, 2006 #
I think Scott came out with an explanation most people would like to be able to trust regarding lolicon, and, to a reasonable extent I agree with his point. However, having one’s life dominated with lolicon fantasies is most obviously unhealthy.

I won’t debate it any further because I don’t think the discussion has seperated lolicon, that is, purely illustrated, itself from actual pedophilia, realised or otherwise. In the case of the latter there is obviously no argument that it should be percieved by society as acceptable, but the former is soley what should be under debate.

Comment by Washi — March 2, 2006 #
I like many shows that could be consider lolicon because there isn’t that cute characters anywhere else.
But that just fantasy. In real life i hate kids and want to stay as far as possible from them. They aren’t even fully developed yet so being sexually interested to them is impossible.

Comment by Anga — March 2, 2006 #
I can see some reasons why there is a law protecting prepubescent children from sexual relations.

–Their bodies haven’t grown to be large or strong enough to withstand the rigors of sex, especially little girls.

–They don’t know enough about society and the world to realize what sexual relations would entail. This ties in with possible physical damage.

–They cannot function adequately in society all by themselves (job, living quarters, food), and so are under their parents’ care. Until they can be independent, they have to be under their caretakers’ thumbs.

Morality is inherently subjective. To some people there may not be any problem with a 12yr/40yr pair. It’s hard to argue with that, if they truly believe it to be so.

There are, however real social and material problems with such a pair — that is why I’d object.

Comment by Eleutheria — March 3, 2006 #
[…] So I guess we’ve come to a consensus, huh? Fantasy loli for all! 60% is a fairly solid majority. I’m glad some people did think pedophiles were just misunderstood, since where would we be without guys like abq? I think I would just drop to the floor, spasm, and then die. Alright, not really. Anyway, this topic generated a greater reaction than I thought it would, and I was told by Wyk72 that pedophilia is a hot topic in Europe right now. […]

Pingback by Sama Zama » Why do you read anime blogs? — March 11, 2006 #
I think Pedophilia is wrong of that there can surely be no question however I like the lolicon as it is pure fantasy you can indulge in what you see with the knowledge that no-one has been hurt to put it there.

Comment by Bert McGraw — March 13, 2006 #
I will say this, I have a 4yo daughter. I in no way find her sexually appealing. To this day I still have to help her when she bathes. I am not turned on at any point at all when it comes to her.

However I do like lolicon and other forms of hentai.

Just as someone else said, just because it is a type of media (like horror films and such) you are interested in doesnt mean you are going to go and try to role play these things in the real world.

I love porn but am not out here trying to have sex with everything that moves. I am happily married and am just a normal guy. Everyone needs fantasies to escape from reality every now and again though.

Comment by 1234567 — March 20, 2006 #
Listen I agree with most everyone, I ike looking at loli (drawn) but being and uncle (of a beautiful niece) and a father who has lost a son, I do think that pedophilia, is somethingto which I would have to seriously hurt anyone who tried anything with anyone under 16-17. sory if I offend anyone, but that in all effect is my opinion

Comment by OMEGA — March 29, 2006 #
pedophilia is ok as long it doesent go to rape and relations, but society have made pedophilia look like some fucking mad disease and everybody would hate you if you admit. sure you can jerk off to an image (in your head offcoarse) of a young girl in reality, not all pedos rape, every pedo i know (imgboards topics etc) is not rapers, and they have attractions not only to loli appearance but to real girls too

Comment by Lolimon — June 22, 2006 #
I am a person who came within the edge of lolicon/pedophilia.

A few years ago, I had a heart attack at age 39. At about the same time, my brother’s girlfriend had a huge situation to handle with 3 of her 8 sisters being beat up by their dad. The 3 ended up staying at our place until things smoothed over.

One of those 3 girls was 14 years old at the time.

She became interested in one of the computer games I often played. As a result she spent an inordinate amount of time on my computer.

I treated her like a niece and a big-brother, and an intelligent person. We did things together, such as learning how to swim, extensive family walks, tutoring to catch up on her missed schooling, computer gaming, anime watching, etc. It was a pleasant time.

As she was still transitioning from childhood into adulthood, she took a liking to me. She would get jealous when I would go to the store with one of her sisters. She become exceptionally jealous when my x-gf showed up unwanted and unexpectedly one day.

For my part, I was subconsciously attracted to her. It took me a while to figure that out. (I’ve had only one gf in my life, and that was a whopper of a wake-up call, and one of the worst experiences that I would not wish on any other male).

It was severe enough for her to start doing the “I’ll wait for you to pick-me-up-and-save-me-from-myself syndrome”

For my part, I wanted to make sure she knew the difference between a ploy to get in her pants, and real attraction. So, at one point, I suddenly grabbed her shoulders and said “I love you”, and watched her reaction. Then clearly, I explained to her that some guys would use that moment to try to have sex with her.

She understood the meaning of the lesson.
But she fell in love with me anyways.

She knew she could not have me as a bf, the moment I encouraged her to find a classmate to go out with. She listened to me well, and seemed to be making progress (getting over her first crush, and looking at other guys as candidates).

Fortunately (and in some instances not so fortunately, depending on how you look at it), another family situation came up which totally destroyed any possibility of a developing relationship.

My intent, to help her get over me, was totally obfusicated by the family situation. What really bothered me was the total attitude that I was one of those despised men who would jump into bed with any loli/girl, including precious sister, when it was obvious that my intentions were alot deeper than that.

Anyways, I rode the fine line between atrraction, and responsibility. And the adult in me is proud of the progress I made with her.

Now I wait for the next stage. When she sees me one more time by herself without other family members around. I fear that moment.

She’s 18 now, and I’m near 44.
What do I fear?

I fear she will latch on to me after all the horrible experiences she encountered in her recent past. She’s officially an adult now, she can do what she wants. A small part of me wants that, but the other part is deathly afraid of what can and probably will happen.

Even though I’ve never touched her in any way, the fear that people run through their heads, especially her family, is sometimes staggering to behold.

Is this attraction right or wrong? I believe it’s very human. It’s both a bit right and a bit wrong. But in all instances it is very adult-oriented.

Someday, I will find a way to get the right message to her. Hopefully before it’s too late.

All the talking about right and wrong in this thread, it doesn’t mean much to me. Why? Because it’s so impersonal, or at least, I perceive it as impersonal.

Looking at pictures, is superficial.
Looking at girls, young ones is less than superficial.
Doing something with girls, underage ones, is definitely problematic.

My point is, there is no easy line between a teenager and adulthood. But someone, somewhere has to help define it.

I took her in as a friend, as a student, and as a “big brother”, and she became attracted to me in an less-than-healthy way. I compensated by guiding her towards a more-healthy-way to think about it. I made two mistakes in conveying those concepts. And recovered gracefully.

It’s not about having sex with a young girl.
It’s not about loving a young girl.

It’s all about helping a person complete the transition into adulthood. How? By believing in that person as an adult. And being realistic about expectations of adulthood. Including sexuality.

Ok, I ask myself the ultimatum question…

Would I have sex with her, even if she was underaged?

My honest answer is both yes, and no. If she’s desperate for a partner, someone to experiment with, then no. If she’s someone who wants to learn about what a real relationship is about… then yes.

What do I want? I want someone who can believe in me as a person who will choose the right path, and knows it well. If she can see that, then she can make the same decision for herself. And her own answer will define that adulthood.

It might happen, and then again, it might not.

As an avid anime fan, the lolicon thing doesn’t intrigue me much. The pedophile thing, much less. But I’ve always really liked the anime’s that display young people transitioning into adulthood.

I’m positive I have the right attitudes. Or at least the ability to learn from my mistakes without making too starkly bad decisions.

As an afterthought in writing this diatribe… Maybe I’m trying to justify my attitudes by airing them into the public space and getting some feedback that is both insightful and useful.

We’ll see :)

–ZeeRoD

P.S. For the record, I’ve had one girlfriend, who was 10 years younger than me. And I’ve had two attractions aside from that, one woman 13 years older than me, and the other girl [the one I’m talking about here] age 15 when I first me her. (And for some odd reason, no one my own age is ever attracted to me, a reason that befuddles me to this day).

Comment by ZeeRoD — July 14, 2006 #
Love Is Love And That Is Good….
Rape Is Bad….And Dead Wrong….
?-ilia=is a love of something

Comment by fy — September 10, 2006 #
sory;;

Comment by loli-angel — November 21, 2006 #
I can feel attracted to like 13 year old girls yes.
I am however only 17 at the moment and do not see anything wrong about a 17 year old having a relationship with a 13 year old, not saying that I have one, just talking hypotheticly.

IF I was in a relationship with a 13 year girls however I would not try to have sex with her or anything like that before she’d feel she was 100% ready for it, if it would be when she’s 16 so be it but I would not turn her down if she felt 100% (and I mean like really 100% ready) ready when being 13.

If someone would like to give me they’re thoughts on this I’d be glad. I’d also like to know if you guys this makes me a pedophile (or will when I turn 18 or whatever).

Thanks.

Comment by Drez — November 23, 2006 #
Something that the law tends to forget, especially some of the more recent ones. There is nothing ’sick’ about having an attraction to a young girl once she reaches puberty. Male instinct is to mate with the youngest available female that is capable of bearing a child. That’s instinct, which has no concept of morality. Sex with a 14yo girl may be wrong, and where I’m at is deffinately illegal, but the desire itself is healthy. As long as the girl in question has the appearance of being able to concieve. That’s why I usually have a problem with everything being lumped into pedophilia. Pedophilia is technically an illness. It is usually involved more with an attraction to innocence, or is linked with domination.

As for the exact age of consent, that I have a slight problem with. It is based apon emotional maturity, which deffinately varies from person to person. I’ve met 12 year olds, that are deffinately mature enough to make such decisions on their own. On the other hand, I’ve also met 40 year olds, that I wouldn’t trust to decide on what to wear, much less who to partner with. The problem is, I cannot think of a workable solution to just setting an age and sticking with it.

That being said. I don’t see anything wrong with fantasy such as lolicon, or stories based on underage subjects. In many, this could be nothing more than dancing around the forbidden fruit. Something is wrong or illegal, and that alone can cause an attraction (regardless of a persons preferences.)

To break it down:

Lolicon or Stories - Nothing wrong with it. It may not be my cup of tea, but for everyone else, knock yourselves out.

Sex with pre-pubescent partners - I personally feel this is a sign of a psychological problem, and should be treated as such.

Sex with a partner far enough into puberty to appear fertile, but under the age of consent - Yes, it is illegal, and I agree that it should be illegal. However, there is nothing unhealthy about the desire itself. A person can feel a desire to just steal something they want but cannot afford, but that doesn’t make it right for them to actually do it. (note: appearance of fertility is more than just bust size. Hip to waist ratio, carriage, and pheremones all play a part there.)

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i think that it is important not to encourage these sorts of things.
people have a tendency to take their obsessions into the real world and when this becomes apparent then there would not be much hope of them functioning properly in society and probably end up in jail.
that is my input.

Comment by Eli — February 15, 2007 #
Honestly if you think back to your own childhood, would you think “I’m in love” when you were around adults? I didn’t have any, and assuming you don’t, why would such a thing be okay then because most of these things wouldn’t come about naturally. I believe if both of them are mature enough to make decisions like that and truly have feelings for each other, then it’d be acceptable. . . But it’s hard to draw the line where this happens and if it’s child molestation.

Comment by Anonymous — February 18, 2007 #
I think both are ok. Fictional lolicon is perfectly fine since, as many people pointed out, it’s just fantasy and i always thought incredibly artistic. I don’t think there’s anything sick about pedophilia, it’s coldly logical. It makes as much sense as any other paraphilia or fetish. I mean a person will like inanimate objects as sex partners so do younger people really surprise us; I mean people will even be turned on by smells and clothing and textures, etc. If you take an attractive 18 year old and start looking at her declining in age 17, 16, etc - I’d imagine different people would have different places they would stop and say they wouldn’t go any younger. There are pedophiles who don’t go younger than 12 and some that probably don’t have a cut-off at all. As i said, i think it makes as much sense as anything else that is used to derive pleasure, any other fetish, etc. So.. it should be considered and looked at as just another sexual interest. People might find it disgusting or sick, but it happens, so why are people so surprised or scared or think that it’s unnatural. People react to it like it’s terrorism, people in America are trippin’. I mean lolicon should be an example of just how natural it is. Young people are considered more attractive, and humans have higher affections for children, including animals (puppies, kittens) because studies show that (I “ain’t” no scientist) young creatures have characteristics of what we find “cute”.
Now older people dating kids and all that is getting stranger than the pedophilia itself i think. I understand likening 12 year olds, but don’t get how a successful relationship could carry on, one that wouldn’t mess up the kids mind - like how would you expect say a 13 year old, after dating a 30 year old to then start dating kids her own age, wouldn’t she think they are too immature for 13 year old boys; at least she’d have a slow and possibly awkward time adjusting and might always have a missing piece to her. Like minds work best together i think, so in my opinion the closer you are in age the more successful the relationship can be, not always of course.
It might be a nice world if people weren’t so freaked out about adults having “things” for children.
There’s also this type of pedophile I think: one that loves kids as well. And that is wonderful I thing. But anyone who would rape, kidnap or abuse a kid is obviously dirt. But if it’s pedophilia then it’s implied that it is a sexual desire in particular. I didn’t want to believe it, but I’m buying into the “Media Panic” thing now. I just want to also say, that of all the countries that I’ve been in, and of all the cultures and races and families that I have met and observed, it seems to me that Americans are the least close to their families. Actually I’m talking about the parents; I just think American parents don’t spend as much time with their kids as in other countries and don’t teach them or talk to them as much when they’re growing up. I live in the US and love it here, but I hope the next generation of parents can devote more time and love to their kids and give them a reason to actually listen to their parents. Also, American kids kinda want to distance themselves from parents and their authority. I think this might be why US tries to make up for this lack of closeness by over blowing this pedophile-scare every chance it gets. I can’t believe we still can’t acknowledge that pedophilia is, i think, simply natural to some. What’s really sick is that it’s thought of by some people as a mental disease. This one issue is like the US is stuck in the dark ages.

I think all porn is “wrong” (heavy quotation marks), in that it wastes time and corrupts the body and mind. Not to say I don’t look at porn, just that i know it’s a waste of time. So to be preoccupied with acquiring a sexual partner who is under the legal age is pretty insane, but you can put that urge to good use by writing or drawing or some creative output. I think it’s just insane to always be wanting to screw something. I mean get outside, find a career path, improve the world, put something positive out.

Comment by Joao — February 25, 2007 #
now i think both are ok, i do have an attraction to underage girls, but i just like the innocence, i would never have intercourse with anyone underage, i do have a sexual attraction to children but i know it is a fantasy and will never become a reality.

Comment by Scotty — February 25, 2007 #
I have to say that I love all forms of girl lolicon and pedo pictures and movies, except where the child is obviously not enjoying it. I have had sexual relations with 2 girls of 7 and 8 yrs old which involved mutual masturbation and oral sex and we all enjoyed the physical pleasure. It is silly to say that little girls cannot enjoy sex as my experience shows that even young girls can have an orgasm. The thing which you cannot do is penetrate, as this will definitely hurt them and turn them right off.
Society should understand that there are many men like me who enjoy child sex images and don’t have to resort to rape to satisfy ourselves. For the record lolicon and real pictures turn me on almost equally

Comment by Jerry — April 9, 2007 #
I agree with Jerry that consensual sex can take place between men and little girls. The seduction takes a long time, but if everything is done slowly and gently both parties can enjoy intense pleasure.

I had a long term relationship with a girl from the age of 9 until 11 and she loved to make me cum in her mouth. She deeply enjoyed a shallow anal penetration when she got older and had very powerful orgasms when I licked or fingered her clitoris.

Lolicon and pedo are just reflections of life. I have been enjoying young girls since long before I saw my first lolita sex picture. All I would say is that all sex should be consensual and gentle, especially with children.

Comment by Eric — April 9, 2007 #
I pride myself on being an articulate, logical and sensible person. However, all of my eloquence has fled for the moment as I must say that you people- by “you people” I refer to Scotty, Jerry and Eric- are a bunch of messed up fucking assholes. Either euthanize yourselves, get psychiatric consultations, or force an epiphany in which you understand that your ‘harmless’ fantasies, your abusive sexual romps and pitiful rationalizations are all the product of deranged and possibly disabled minds. Read Hidoshi’s post from 2006; perhaps it will shed some light on your mental stability.

Comment by Jaimy — April 19, 2007 #
gross….its a mental illenss, we all know that, why try to make it sounds o.k? its not, plain and simple, if anyone touched my kid i would personally make them suffer for many years to come

Comment by lindsay — April 22, 2007 #
I read a lot of comments here and wow…

Sir put down your pencil, we’re taking you away for a while. Thats how I feel about it. America totally blows. I can be thrown in prison for drawing pre-pubescent girls nude. Even catch “Hey you’re fucking crazy” looks from people in art class when you draw them clothed.

The female body aged 6-14 is the perfect aesthetic in my opinion. Fuck sexual relationships, its all about the art man. Spending time in prison for having an art journal that contains drawings of girls in natural or fantastical forms is scary.

Ls-Models and Ls-Magazine died because of the U.S.A. Pure art. Seen any back drops they had? Yeh thats money. There back drops where hand painted scenes. Amazing details on sets and props to make woodland scenes etc. All went to hell in a hand basket because it wasn’t taxed? George Bush couldn’t get his money.

Back on track here. Art doesn’t have to go by some Christian rules of morality. Sick people are the Catholic priest. Molesting little kids. Theres a difference between using kids as models for a higher form of art then just simply using them as sexual instruments for pleasure.

So lets keep molesting illegal and art legal. Although the art is illegal also. And now I’m probably red flagged by the CIA.

So is the paranoia worth trying to keep the art work alive? For a true artist yes. For some punk ass Blood of Jesus Conservative-Neo-Libiterian, I think not.

Comment by Snarp — June 6, 2007 #
ya fuck u 40yr old pervs

Comment by art iz kool — June 24, 2007 #
i dont think pedophilia or lolicon are wrong…lolicon is just the result of lead being scratched on paper. and come on. men were made to like small cute girls. its in our nature. pedophilia isnt wrong if its not forced or the child isnt tricked…i dont condone rape or child manipulation

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I personally think that it depends on ones level of intelect, I know many young kids much more inteligent than adults I know and I would say they are mature enough to make the decisions themselves.

Lolicon, as in pictures? No doubt thats alright its just a fantasy image made from the mind not reality.

Personally I am into little girls ages 4-8 and thats it, but I have never touched them nore will I because they will eventually age beyond that and I find mature people hideous, so I avoid it all together. Contrary to common belief not all men find big breasts attractive, actually I really find them unattractive, which has led people to think I am Homosexual which is not the case.

The answer is that the gods created a disease that makes certain people appear like they are 7 (Give or take a few years) their entire life, even though their minds advance normally. This is for people like me who can’t stand the adult body but crave a relationship. Thats my opinion. Not to say I don’t think the young ones can’t consent just that they will eventually age so any pedophile who really loves them while knowing they will be unattrated to them at their older ages would be wise to simply leave them be.

I do not agree with rape, nor do I believe in tricking someone into sex, nor do I believe in sex for sex, Sex is only for a consenting couple.

On a side note someone was talking about sex with dogs at the begining, and I would like to state that I also believe animals can consent. I have first hand seen multiple accounts of animals haveing sex for fun even with animals outside their species, in particular a fixed male dog and a fixed female cat that my neighbors owned would do it almost daily until my I moved and I don’t know anymore. But in anycase Animals like Dogs and Horses especially enjoy sex and I have actually witnessed that both of them can experience orgasms (Talking about the females here) As I have seen a female husky experiencing one as well as an American Paint Mare experianceing one. So I have seen that animals can enjoy and consent to sex. ON that note I would like to say that I am also a Zoophile. Though I am a virgin in any sence so no I have not had sex with any animals, though I would not turn down that oppertunity if it was presented, unlike the little girls, because I can enjoy animals even into old age.

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